Great Britain Philatelic Society

Winston W

I'd start off by asking how sure are you that the year is 1798 and not say 1795?

The rate charged might help you. Unsure if there was a local rate in that time period for Leith to Edinburgh, but if not, then the rate would be 3d in 1798 as against 2d in 1795.

Winston W

Yes, Castle Street, Edinburgh, a Scots Local. You can see a complete strike here https://www.barrell.co.uk/products/108151 Scots Local postmarks were in use in place of usual numeral postmarks from 1854 onwards to about 1860. The most comprehensive book in the GBPS library is this one: R. C. ALCOCK,...

Winston W

I too read the London receiving date as 3 December 1834, in which case I would expect a date code of either the letter R or the letter S. So sorry, I can't explain why it has the date code C.

Winston W

Looking at a LPHG Notebook revision to BCC London, that mark is L7, evening duty sorting table F, a common (in black) mark from 1795-99. Codes A to F were used.

Winston W

mcornes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:23 am(I assume the C at the top means the central post office)

No, that is the date stamp code. See London Date Stamp Codes file at https://www.gbps.org.uk/information/dow ... ations.php

Winston W

The society was active last year on that website, but I don't know if the specifics of the literature contact is still active.

The Scottish Postal History Society does have a Facebook page that might be able to help you if you wish to become a member https://www.facebook.com/groups/383853733497588

Winston W

leamphil wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:43 pmSo what is the "other rate of postage payable by law" that must be 8d ?

No, that is the standard rate, which as previously given was 1/-. So the 4d is the extra to places to the east of India, like Hong Kong (see Moubray 1st edition p 390, note a.)

Winston W

Nick, Have a look at the TW on our site. Isn't the 4d additional to the usual rate?

Winston W

Nick, The 1/- rate was the standard rate up to 1856 that covered letters for up to ½ ounce by the British mail that had gone via Southampton since 1843, rather than the more expensive rate overland via Marseille. [Edit: Drafted before I saw that Maurice had already replied.]

Winston W

Have a look on our website for Parmenter's Barred Numeral Cancellations of London. At page 298 he illustrates similar as being Money Order Office, with Rarity from H*.

Winston W

Certificates are opinions, given at a certain point in time. The errors that even reputable bodies make can be split into two camps:- 1. Errors that should not have been made at issuance, hopefully rare (but they are seen) and 2. Errors that come about through more knowledge/research becoming availa...

Winston W

Has you said this is an interesting letter because,also,if I understand well the book written by John Hendy ( https://www.gbps.org.uk/information/downloads/postal-markings/The History of Early Postmarks of the British Isles down to 1840 / pages 43 to 49 ) no marking should have been applyed making ...

Winston W

Fred, That 17 April 1815 date is very interesting. I suggest a scarce example of a letter to France, a month into the War of the Seventh Coalition. Whilst the 5 in the year seems to have been slightly enhanced, the alternative of 1813 makes no sense, So subject to any dates elsewhere indicating to t...

Winston W

This question has puzzled me for some time. How is "blued paper from the white paper period" distinguished from "ordinary" blued paper? Niels, I confess, I didn't know there was such a beast, but it is clearly listed as such by SG. Looking at the SG listing, my best guess is tha...

Winston W

Any mixed used pieces or covers with penny plates and penny stars please Tim, I imagine you have seen the examples that Ray Simpson & Karl Louis showed to the society in 2022 and perhaps have their book. However I regret I have none - that Gold Standard is surprisingly difficult to find, with K...

Winston W

The 1812 rate shows an additional 1/2d for Scotland but not in the 1838 table. If it was still valid, should it not be marked 8 1/d instead of 8? Does it mean that 8 1/2d actually paid? You are right, the 1838 table does not show the continuance of the additional ½ for Scotland. However it did cont...

Winston W

mcornes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:43 am The 4d would cover the 12oz rate letter rate unless newspapers were sent at a lower rate.

From the marvellous Postal Rates section, I suggest a bundle of newspapers would have been sent at the Printed Matter rate. For many QV years inc. around 1870, 4d would cover the 1lb rate.

Winston W

My first reaction on seeing a 1d Black with gum, whether partial or full, is to assume it has been regummed at some time (good tickets excepted). So little difference in value in my book.

Winston W

Any 18th century envelopes, within, from or to the UK. If with the original letter, even better!

Winston W

Yes, the French entry mark that had at the top "ANGL.", an abbreviation for Angleterre, i.e. England, athough it was applied on covers from the whole of the UK, not just from England. ANGL. image.JPG The prepaid rate at the time was 3d per 10 grams or ⅓oz,. so the cover probably had 3 1d P...

Winston W

I wish you luck finding some of those 1d Red A row 1st state stamps.

VERY rare, but no harm in looking and if lady luck comes your way, then it might be worthy of an article in the GBJ.

Winston W

Galveston, I can see why you see the cancel as 881, but when I looked at it before reading your post, I thought it might be 831. 831 of Wakefield (Yorkshire) comes as a 3HOS in various forms, and that's what I think it must be. Postmark Reveal, https://www.postmark-reveal.com/ might help you tease o...

Winston W

I don't think there was a 11d rate Quite right. You may have misread my post. The postal rate before late September 1866 was 1/-, with (per Moubray) 11d credited to NZ. If you read the Treasury warrant of 25 May 1866, here https://www.gbps.org.uk/information/sources/treasury-warrants/warrants/TW-18...

Winston W

Moubray deals with the Panama Route 1866-1869 to NZ.

It looks as if the 5d credit rate to the NZ PO applied from 26th September 1866.

Now all you might like to find is a 11d credit rate that applied before then.

Winston W

Surely only the 4th Viscount?
As I see it, the 5th would have inherited the Viscount Melville title on the death of the 4th in 1886. Your covers are from 1881, five years earlier.

Winston W

Am I right in understanding you want incoming as well as outgoing?

Winston W

Interestingly the name "Abel Roper" does not appear in the Hugh Feldman list in Vol.107 [Mar 1993]. Neither does Hugh list him in his 1998 publication. British Newspapers have the Abel(l) Roper that Mike mentions going back to 1711, so that does not help shorten the period in which your c...

Winston W

In less than 24 hours the BESG is hosting a Zoom presentation "Everything you wanted to know about Stamp Catalogues… but were afraid to ask" with Hugh Jefferies and Steven Zirinsky The date/time is for Thursday September 8th - 6 PM ET - so 11 p.m. BST for members in the UK You can register...

Winston W

Eunice and Ron, Is the notation you show written by the sender or the recipient? If the latter, possibly the ship was the frigate Menelaus. As regards the ship captured, perhaps the the phrase "the Recapture" is a reference to a ship that had been recaptured, with the upper case R being th...

Winston W

WM, A notable difference in your L/W UV photo between what you label as watermarked cream and white paper. Is that same difference seen in the Wilding (non regional) definitives with watermarked cream and white paper? If not, then is it the cream paper that shows differently, which might indicate a ...

Winston W

A mystery to me. Both were Sea Lords at the time and the Privilege to their Class extended to the sending and receiving all letters, without limit as to either number or weight. If one of the Privilege requirements had not been met (e.g. Hardy had suddenly been called away from London) and so was no...

Winston W

The obvious best candidate is Autumn Stampex 2022 (28 September – 1 October 2022) to be held at the British Design Centre, Islington, London N1 0QH.

And by "Royal Postal Museum" I assume you mean what is now called The Postal Museum.

Winston W

It certainly wasn't in 1866 as you have incorrectly stated, you certainly have an unusual imagination when ascertaining actual facts and images. WM WM, clearly a typo by Petrod. If you read the remainder of his post you will see he meant 1856. P.S. In typing my draft reply, I made a mistake and put...

Winston W

Mike,

Have a look at Maurice's display. I think that Crown Offices like the one that appears to be in your photo were closed, but some (or even all?) sub-post offices remained open. The latter is confirmed at https://www.gbps.org.uk/displays/1971-p ... heet11.php

Winston W

Adrian,

Mike Batty, who is an expert on 1d stamps on mail from the Crimea, may be a good bet to ask. He is registered here https://www.gbps.org.uk/boards/memberli ... ile&u=2125

Winston W

SETARO26/Enrique, Have you looked at the GBPS Plating tool here https://www.gbps.org.uk/tools/plating/ You might be able to do plate them yourself. But if not, any scans you provide (sorry, I don’t plate for money) would need to be much better quality than the 1d Black one you have given. Even thoug...

Winston W

It would be quite unusual for SG17s to be used in 1856 and 1858, so I don't think those are the years in the two datestamps as suggested by Admin & Petrod. But WM's view that the "number 3 in the Burnley postmark/date stamp has a straight top ! " is interesting. I see a curve, not a st...

Winston W

Can you trust a date strike in future ? WM WM, The answer is no, I always prefer a collaborating date to confirm. However before assuming that the datestamps both have the wrong year, I suggest that you need to refute Ray’s suspicion "that these are genuine SG 17s that do not belong to these 1...

Winston W

specimen, I suggest you use electronic power and use the GBPS search facility using "1884 Lilac and Green Colour Trials" as the search term. The first hit shows "1884 Colour Trials Without Corner Letters [M] 33(4)69. — The 1884 Inleaf [L] 13(4)86. — Lilac and Green Issue 1884-1886, Co...

Winston W

Thanks to you both for the extra info & feedback. Always nice to see.

Winston W

Well found. Makes excellent sense. The GBPS website has a link to The 19th Report of Commissioners of Inquiry into the Collection and Management of the Revenue, Post Office Revenue, United Kingdom: Part II – Ireland of 1829 https://www.gbps.org.uk/information/sources/parliamentary-reports/Reports fr...

Winston W

Adrian, I don't have a special interest other than its an important part of world history, but wish you well with your collecting interest. I hope you have seen the superb Crimean War PH display by an Italian doctor (was at Stampex a year ago) and have items like this one that was on e-whatsit a cou...

Winston W

Could they (the Commissioners) of some charities, whether in Ireland or the rest of the UK, be covered by Class X of the Postage Act 1837 (1 Vict c.35, 12th July 1837) and its predecessors prior to 1837, so be eligible to receive and send letters by the post free from the Duty of Postage?

Winston W

SK, Good question. I am always learning something new. The answer can be found in the SG Concise Post Office Telegraphs Stamps section. Postage stamps were once again used for telegraph services when telegraph stamps were withdrawn after a little over five years in use, which I take to be c. 2nd hal...

Winston W

Tell me Winston were stamps affixed to telegrams as proof of payment prior to the GPO taking over from the private sector in the early 1870s, or was this an adopted method used only by the GPO after taking over ? SK, If you mean Post Office stamps, the answer is no. If however you mean the private ...

Winston W

I seem to remember that from 1872 you get the plethora of CDSs from telegraph usage, even though the Post Office took over the running of the private telegraphs in early 1870.

Winston W

The Convention Clause 7 only refers to the United Kingdom. It is silent as to where in the United Kingdom the letter is going. So my interpretation, answering a query you had, is that means "whether to port of entry or beyond".

Winston W

Nick, Postal History collectors are so used to the 8d ship letter rate that it is easy to forget that postal treaties after 1840 could change that rate. This is one of them. Have a look at clause seven of the 1859 Anglo-Portuguese convention that you can see here:- https://www.gbps.org.uk/informatio...

Winston W

Fred, Please remember this is a GB society, and does not extend to stamps of colonies/Commonwealth etc.

Winston W

Mike, That's a very large area & I can't think of a single source. For starters (up to but excluding squared circles & CDSs) my suggestions would be:- MX Specials - Rockoff & Jackson, Encyclopedia of the Maltese Cross Cancellations London numerals, see Parmenter at https://www.gbps.org.u...

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