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 Post subject: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 10:21 am 
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It would appear that not only are there variations in the papers that have been depicted in the Stanley Gibbons specialised part 3 as specified by the GPO in their declaration of 1962 in a changeover from cream to whiter papers, but several other variants of paper has also been used to print later issues after the declaration was made, it concerns 3 unlisted papers that appears to have been overlooked in the past, appertaining to the following :-

(1) A paper that appears to be encrusted with fluorescent fibres/flecks in the embodiment as seen on some of the 8d 9½mm violet phosphor printed on a whiter paper, possibly caused by the use of rags that contained high amounts of stilbene dyes used in the production of many detergents, this type of contamination was first seen around 1964 and gradually increased as time went by, other values have also been so affected, add to the fact that there could have been a possible change of rag supplier around that time.
(2) A cream type paper similar to the original creams but more translucent, used to print some of the 4d 9½mm violet phosphors first issued in 1967, and yet again other values have also been affected similarly which includes some of the 4d deep ultramarine (plain) first issued in 1965. These findings indicate that an attempt to remove the fluorescent fibres containing stilbene was made by the use of chemicals in a process known as oxidation whilst still in the pulp stage, in order for degradation to be achieved.
(3) A fluorescent paper has been used to print some of the 10d 9½mm violet phosphors, this type of paper was created by the addition of optical brightening agents in order to camouflage/mask the offending contaminants, other values printed on this type of paper are also known but not as prolific as the contaminated ones ranging from 1d to the 1/6d with a few exceptions.
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It's just nonsensical to state that the 10d phosphors depicted in the scan below were printed on identical type papers, these variations CANNOT be ignored, just compare them to the 1d booklet pane of George Vl, are the 10d's on the left on whiter papers ? If you think that is the case, then I think you need to see an optician, as with various catalogue editors, as their definitions are a joke !
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Are these 4d (plain) depicted in the scan below both on whiter papers ?
Both showing cylinder numbers, judge for yourself !
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All of these variations can be easily recognised by the use of long wave ultraviolet radiation of around 365 nm in a similar way of differentiating the colours of various phosphor tagging by using a shorter wavelength based on the afterglow of the type of phosphor applied.

If any member is interested in these variations, I'm open for discussion on the subject.
Thank you, WM.


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 2:35 pm 
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Here is another example of the contaminated papers, but this time depicting the 9½mm violet phosphors of the 6d value that gives a much clearer portrayal of the anomaly.
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Along with two variations of the 4d plain from booklets, with what appears to be a fluorescent and cream type paper, first issued on the 16th of August 1965, both of which are listed in the Stanley Gibbons part 3 specialised catalogue as being whiter papers !
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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 3:47 pm 
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Fred, thanks for raising this excellent topic. I was invited by SG to re-write the introductory notes to the Wilding section in the most recent GB Spec Vol 3 catalogue, but this whole area was the one topic that they were not keen to expand. Essentially SG want to stick to 'cream' and 'whiter' as the only discriminant, leaving only general comments about fluorescence.
Some (major) GB dealers split cream and whiter simply by whether the paper fluoresces or not. This is a false test in my opinion.
About a year ago, with help from the RPSL Experts, I ran some analysis tests using the XRF machine on a range of 3d Wildings under white and uv light. Then I plotted the degree of 'yellowness' (i.e. the Y factor in the CMYK values under white light) against the brightness of the reaction under various wavelengths of uv light. As you would expect perhaps, there were two major clusters confirming that 'whiter' paper fluoresces and 'cream' paper does not. BUT there were outliers - which I think is the point of your post. Attached is a photo under uv which shows the great variance of the reaction.
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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 4:34 pm 
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Many thanks Frank for your contribution of the variations that you have found including cylinder numbers, but none of which appear to be as highly fluorescent as the 10d ones in the following scan.
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Surely Frank, with such a vast difference, these variations can't be ignored and treated as a " catch-all scenario " that seems to be the case with SG. Plus the other aspect regarding the contaminated papers as shown in my last posting, or is it that you also can't see the difference as with SG ?


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 7:51 pm 
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE 10d PHOSPHORS.
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From my findings, the 10d phosphors appear to have been printed on three different types of paper and are quite distinct when applied to longwave ultraviolet radiation on comparing like for like.

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The scan above is evidence to that fact ! unfortunately only one paper is listed (whiter).


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:18 am 
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For all those of you that have not been initiated into the study of stamp papers you could be missing out ! Varieties are not only found in printing errors, perforations or the colour and width of phosphor bands but also in the type of paper used to print them, afterall, without the paper there would be no stamp as we know them today.

An interesting article on the subject can be found on the following site:-

https://brixtonchrome.com/pages/how-to- ... amps-paper

An ultraviolet light of around 365 nm can be just as important to the philatelist as a perforation gauge or a magnifying glass.

It's certainly worth a read should you have the inclination !

In the meantime here's another one of those contaminated papers but this time used to print a commemorative.
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I have never seen the like of which, paper used for printing British stamps has ever been so contaminated before !


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 4:11 pm 
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Mr Frank Walton, I have a query with regards to your scan that you submitted on the so called 3d multiple crown wildings.

The cylinder 41 could only be on a cream paper (plain).

Cylinders 78,79 and 81 would be whiter papers used for the printing of the 3d plain & violet phosphor centre band stamps.

Cylinder 60 could be either cream or whiter used to print the plain + two band blue phosphors, The one shown is possibly a cream one when comparing it with the cylinder 41.

As for the G2 cylinder, it is not even a 3d value, but a 1½d denomination and a Tudor watermark to boot !

And as for the one without a cylinder number it could be anything, but nevertheless, interesting as it appears to have blind perfs !

Frank, when you submit the like, I do expect it to be correct !


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 11:48 am 
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My search in respect to the manufacture of stamp paper lead me to the Stowford paper mill sited in the small town of Ivybridge in South Devon, that was used for all their stamp products and used by the printers Harrison and Sons for all the Wilding low values produced, the paper mill was owned at that time by Wiggins Teape who had previously purchased it from Portals (John Allen and Sons) in 1930 **

The water used in the paper making process was drawn from the nearby river Erme and was used for all their products due to it's pure and crystal-clear water **

I was fortunate enough to discover a short film covering various aspects in the manufacture of paper at the mill in 1962, their procedures in some cases appear to be a bit "rule of thumb" in the amount of additives given to the mixture whilst still in the pulp stage, this may possibly have lead to variations found in some of the papers used for printing of stamps by Harrison and Sons !

The film can be viewed on the following site :-
Watch Stowford Paper Mill online - BFI Player

For anyone interested in the production of paper, this is a "must see" opportunity.

** Ref : Grace's Guide to industrial history.
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Wiggins,_ ... 934_Review


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
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In the opening segment of this posting, I gave a general guide as to the three unlisted types of paper to be found issued since 1962, beginning with the problem of the contaminated papers that seem to have originated around 1964 leading to further action being taken to rectify the situation, over the last 2 years I have taken many scans of the various values that have been so affected, it would appear that certain regional stamps have also been detected with fluorescent variations of paper, in this particular scan, it involves the 3d plain stamp issued for Wales, the listed varieties being numbers 1+3 in cylinder blocks as listed in the specialised SG catalogue, but the unlisted number 2 in the scan seems to have been ignored, why this is so is beyond my comprehension, the scan in question follows :-
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It can also be noticed that the fluorescent fibres (contaminants) have been deliberately camouflaged/masked by the additional use of optical brightening agents whilst this paper was still in the pulp stage of its production (if you look closely) traces of the contaminating fibres can still be seen !

An interesting article on some of the more technical aspects relating to optical brightening agents (OBA's) can be found on the following link.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_brightener

The 1/3d Northern Ireland have had similar treatment by using three definite types of paper in their production, and can be seen in the following scan, the numbering being the same as for the 3d Wales plain.
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These stamps have been in the public domain now for over 50 years, just how different must a stamps paper have to be to gain recognition ? The same applies also to the contaminated papers and the translucent cream ones to be found.


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 3:50 pm 
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Of the three unlisted types of multiple crown watermarked papers that appeared from around 1964 onwards previously discussed, I found that the fluorescent fibre contaminated ones to be of the greatest importance and interest !

It was stated by the late Aubrey Walker. whilst working at the Dollis Hill establishment (the chief chemist for the post office) in a philatelic bulletin of 1979, volume 17, page 46 that this type of contamination had possibly come from some of the rag supplied and used inadvertently that was high in detergent levels : ( many of these detergents contained stilbene ( a highly fluorescent substance )) to get that 'whiter than white' appearance, of which I am in full agreement with.

And due to this error it had created a new type of paper whereby this contamination could be positively identified under longwave ultraviolet light. The amounts of fluorescent fibres found can vary from one stamp to another as with the 6d ones previously shown in my earlier posting of May the 6th that was very high in contaminants.

My next exhibit is of the 7d value, these stamps were initially issued on the 15th of February 1967, being replaced on the 1st of July 1968 with the Arnold Machin design and had a comparatively short lifespan (16½ months) with the general public.
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Here is another example of some of my findings, the two scans depicted below are of the 1/- value with 9½mm phosphor bands, taken firstly under normal longwave ultraviolet light, with the second one being filtered into mono (impact mode) so as to enhance their presence :-
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Papers such as these have been completely ignored by catalogues in the past and no mention of their existence has ever been made by the GPO unlike the cream to whiter ones made in 1962.

It's all been kept under wraps !


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
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A shame that the Deegam handbook missed Wildings; Douglas would have got his teeth into the paper question I am sure!


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
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Sadly Jim, Douglas G A Myall (1922 - 30th January 2019) is no longer with us, but a "White Knight" is needed on this particular subject ! WM.


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
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As far as I am aware, a satisfactory answer has been given as to how and why these fluorescent papers were produced (in order to mask or camouflage the offending contaminants), the 'rag girls' employed at the mill as part of their duties, was to remove any unwanted articles that could have contaminated the paper with the rags supplied ie, buttons, zips or the odd dead mouse etc, but the removal on the rags with this type of contamination was beyond their capabilities, therefore it was left to the boffins to resolve.

The chemists at the paper mill was faced with a dilemma as to how to rectify the situation with regards to the removal of this type of contamination, and must have initially thought of a remedy by using a process known as oxidation whilst the paper was still in the pulp stage, as being most effective in the degradation of the fluorescencent particles/flecks that was the source of their problem encountered. The idea that the use of chlorine dioxide or ozone would nullify the fluorescence in the embodiment, being more susceptible in the solution phase (pulp stage).

Apparently, by using this method of removal, the process created a more " yellow (cream) type of paper " similar to the earlier creams produced prior to 1962 but of a more translucent nature, as to when this type of process started or ceased is unknown, as nothing has ever been disclosed both with the contamination itself and the attempted rectifications made.

Dr John Sugden was also aware that nothing had ever been disclosed on this topic and made a comment over their secrecy posted in Stamp collecting Magazine in his Woodstock column No.8 of the 14th March 1968 . Quote " as official silence is absolute " .
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A similar topic has been published in this month's GBJ by Austin Barnes on pages 68 & 69 that also includes findings by Dr John Sugden of Woodstock fame, some of which I am not in full agreement with, especially the condition described of the River Erme's water which he appears to be in conflict with, as the Grace's Guide defined the river as being pure and crystal clear, as referred to in my earlier posting of the 8th of May.

Further documentation can be found based on the procedures of making stamp paper from rags on the following link :-
http://ivybridge-heritage.org/archive/t ... er-making/
WM.


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
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All in all, 6 different papers were used to print stamps with a multiple crown watermarked paper by Harrison and Sons of High Wycombe and a compilation of them is listed below and can all be clearly defined with the use of long wave ultraviolet radiation when comparing like with like :-

(1) A cream type of paper with an opaque embodiment when comparing to later issues, last officially used in 1962 bar the odd exception, the one used in the scan is of the 6d 1961 Parliamentary Conference.

(2) Using a similar stamp as (1) but showing the printed side is another version known as chalk surfaced paper first appearing on the 3d GLO of 1960, with the first ever coated stamps being back in the reign of Edward Vll being more highly fluorescent once radiated.

(3) A whiter type paper (so called) used after 1962, thought to have been created by the use of filtrating the water from source of supply.

The first 3 papers used have been well documented, but of the last 3, numbers four, five and six no mention has been given them but have all been classified as whiter papers as a "catch-all" scenario, irrespective of the differences. I now come on to the unlisted ones :-
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(4) A contaminated paper created and used (inadvertently) of rag that was high in detergent content (stilbene) that was highly fluorescent as supplied and mixed in with the normal rag, that is easily recognisable when viewed under long wave UV.

(5) A cream type paper similar to the pre 1962 ones but more translucent that have been discovered on printings much later, this one being the 4d deep ultramarine with 9½mm phosphor bands, this type of paper was in my estimation, created by the use of chemical degradation known as oxidation.

(6) A fluorescent paper created by adding additional optical brightening agents to the mixture whilst in the pulp stage, in order to conceal/mask the contaminating fluorescent fibres that seemed to be ever increasing since around 1964/5.

Isn't it time that the veil of secrecy was lifted and the cat was let out of the bag ?
These last 3 papers are definitely varieties either by accident or design, and need to be properly recognised as such.

One of the most important aspects of any company is their reputation in respect to their items produced, along with the continuity of quality that is essential to merit confidence, which should be strictly maintained at all times !

These original contaminated papers have been kept a secret and covered up for far too long and can only be classified as a debacle in the production of British stamps during that period. The fact that nothing has ever been stated over this gross error means that no lies have ever been told about them, and due to this fact I have nicknamed them "FIB'S". After all, these contaminated papers were produced under the supervision of the GPO (as stated by Mr Austin Barnes in the current GB journal) and must have met with their standards of quality at the time, otherwise they would never have been issued, but no mention has ever been reported by them officially, I wonder why ? I leave that to your discretion !

As with any new concept it may take some digesting, but be careful what you regurgitate, have a nice day and thank you, WM.


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
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In a recent report in the GBPS' journal volume 58 no.3 page 69, Mr Austin Barnes queried that he could not understand as to why these contaminated papers had been used for such a length of time in conjunction with the treated ones ! As Mr Aubrey Walker's previous statement regarding accidental use of these contaminated rags seemed to last for almost 4 years.

It would appear that the contaminated papers first started to show themselves around 1964, based on some commemoratives found, initially with only small amounts of fluorescent fibres, but as time progressed the contamination appeared to get more prominent based on my previous scans displayed, here is an early version of such a commemorative giving a reference to dateline.
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These contaminated papers were last reported to have been issued as late as February 1968 in a 10/- booklet in a report made by Hanns Fasching of the Modern British Philatelic Circle in their "Bookmark" journal along with a query over finding cream type papers also.
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This journal is normally reserved for members only, but Mr Fasching joint editor of "The Deegam handbook/catalogue" has kindly given his permission for me to show you the extract originally published in the BMJ in 2015 volume 45 no.3 pages 148/9.

And so the story continues with every picture, have a nice day. WM


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
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It would appear that Stanley Gibbons in their wisdom, and after consultation with some of the expert committee including Mr Frank Walton and his previous comments, was that only cream and 'whiter' be included in their listings irrelevant of other varieties that exist, and that contaminated and fluorescent papers along with oxidized papers should be ignored as a "never was" .

That being the case, can they explain as to why the 1/3d 9½mm phosphors on cream papers are not listed ? The scan below shows two distinct papers, one on cream the other on a fluorescent paper with 8mm violet phosphors both of which have been completely ignored.
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Whichever way the wind blows, you can't have your cake and eat it !

Apparently it was Hugh Jefferies (the SG's catalogue editor) birthday two weeks ago, and consequently I sent him a virtual birthday cake and wished him a happy birthday.

Honestly ! No "FIB'S" as with their latest specialised catalogue ! WM.


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 Post subject: Re: The multiple crown Wilding stamp papers 2
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There are many philatelists around the world that have concentrated their efforts into the study of stamp papers and the variances found thereof. Here is a research paper by Saleem M Khan posted in 2008 on the postage stamp chat & stamp forum of the variances found on Australian stamps, with names such as Wiggins Teape and Harrison and Sons paper (no doubt manufactured at Stowford mill) that keep appearing !

As stated it mainly concentrates on Aussie stamps, but it's all part of the " Great paper chase " and what to look out for.

Paper for printing stamps is an international product and is not just confined to the UK. Enjoy !

https://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5713

After all, where would we be if paper had never been invented ! It is recorded that a courtier by the name of Cai Lun during the Han dynasty of China was the originator of such an invention, sometimes disputed with reference to Egypt and papyrus parchments or the " Dead Sea " scrolls.

I now come to my latest discovery, being that of the 1/6d Northern Ireland printed on a watermarked cream paper when comparing it to the Scottish one also depicted in the same scan, both originally issued on the 1st of March 1967, this type of paper apparently is not recognised by Stanley Gibbons according to Mr Walton FRPSL but as a whiter paper only !
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What's your perception on the situation ? Can anyone still be in denial that cream papers do exist post 1962.

Still staying with regionals but looking at the other side of the variation levels so far discovered I came across this 3d Welsh stamp (plain) and compared it to a cream paper variety, the difference was quite striking as this particular stamp responded with a high fluorescence under longwave ultraviolet light, similar to non-watermarked paper.
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Just to show you that I have not got confused with a non-watermarked paper, here is its profile against the light.
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Just how many collectors have this particular stamp is an unknown factor as it has never been listed in any of the catalogues, and is therefore worth looking out for as with several others, this particular stamp at a glance could easily be mistaken for the plentiful non-watermarked version !
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This stamp has not been printed on a whiter paper as the specialised catalogue states, but on a fluorescent paper that glows brightly under a longwave ultraviolet light, and cannot be mistaken, unlike the other two versions of papers that are listed, such as the cream and whiter papers as can be seen in the above scan.

How can stamps that are so different be ignored by Stanley Gibbons with reference to what Mr Frank Walton FRPSL said with regards to fluorescent papers in his earlier posting on this thread ?

The watermarked 4d for Scotland both plain and phosphor issued on the 7th of February 1966 is another example of the omissions of stamps printed on a cream paper post 1962,as they are easily identified under longwave ultraviolet light, as can be seen in the following scan.
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I am sure that you can see the difference with both being listed in the catalogue as whiter paper.

I may be incorrect in some of my assertions but it is obvious that more research is needed on these multiple crown Wilding papers that was printed after 1962, as they can't all be classified as just whiter papers by the specialised catalogue, but one thing is for certain is that contaminated papers do exist throughout the series from around 1964 onwards.
What beggars belief is the fact that this type of contaminated paper has never been listed or even mentioned in any specialised catalogues that I am aware of. BEWARE ! WILD-ing FIB'S AT LARGE.
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What is there to hide ?

You can't always treat what the GPO say or don't say as gospel, for example, try searching for a main town post office within Greater Manchester such as, Bolton, Bury, Rochdale, Oldham or Tameside, you will find that their location address are all stated to be in the county of Lancashire by the GPO acquiesced in many respects by the Royal Mail.
It would appear that they don't even know which county they are in, or administer postally even after 46 years when the changeover was enacted in 1974 under the local government act of 1972, it could well be that this is just the tip of the iceberg regarding cock-ups ?

No one is infallible. WM.


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